A Hotdog Made Me Do it: Murder at a Naturist Resort - Part 2

In this episode Gabby and Dan talk about where things stand at Olive Dell.  First up they also talk about the issue of trusting those with titles, and how those titles should be a standard a person lives up to.

Includes messages from Gabby and Dan

Transcript

Dan: 0:27

Welcome back to The Nature's Vibe. I'm Dan, maker of things,

Gabby: 0:30

and I'm Gabby the Crown Nudie.

Dan: 0:33

Before we get into part two of a hotdog, maybe do it. There is another issue that we need to talk about. if you haven't heard part one, we highly encourage you to listen to that before diving into this week's episode.

Gabby: 0:44

we're digging into something that keeps surfacing in nature's spaces, trusting people just because they have a title.

Dan: 0:52

Titles like doctor, lawyer, therapist, police officer, pastor, professor, even coach. The moment someone says one of those. People tend to relax. It's almost automatic. They must be trustworthy.

Gabby: 1:06

Exactly. We saw that with Dr. Dani, but Dan and I have seen it in plenty of other places too. The moment credentials enter the room, people stop questioning and start assuming safety.

Dan: 1:22

It's human nature. Those titles usually represent education, service, or authority. But in naturalism where openness and vulnerability are part of the culture, blind trust can open the door for harm.

Gabby: 1:35

Because once someone leads with authority, we hesitate to look deeper. We forget that trust isn't earned by what's printed on a card. It's earned by how someone behaves when no one's looking.

Dan: 1:51

In nature's communities titles carry even more weight because people crave safety. If someone says they're a doctor or a therapist, most assume they understand boundaries and emotional care,

Gabby: 2:02

but credentials don't equal character, right, Dan?

Dan: 2:05

That's right.

Gabby: 2:06

We've seen professionals who cross lines ignore consent or use their status to say above accountability. And because of the title, people were afraid to speak up.

Dan: 2:18

The pattern shows up everywhere. Lawyers, police officers, spiritual leaders, professors, CEOs. These roles create the illusion of safety, but that illusion can be dangerous when behavior doesn't match

Gabby: 2:29

right? A title should represent responsibility, not superiority. When it becomes a shield instead of a standard to live up to, that's when communities start to fracture.

Dan: 2:43

Real trust isn't built on how someone introduces themselves. It's built on how they show respect, handle conflict, and their own actions.

Gabby: 2:51

And that's the heart of ethical naturalism. Every person, no matter their background, is accountable to the same values of consent, honesty, and care. So how do we rebuild trust? Once we've seen it misused, we start by watching what people do, not what they claim to be.

Dan: 3:16

Pay attention to consistency. Notice who listens, who respects your boundaries? Who shows empathy? When things get uncomfortable, that's where the real trust lives.

Gabby: 3:26

A genuine professional doesn't need to remind you of their title. Their behavior tells you everything.

Dan: 3:34

And for nature spaces, that's the lesson. Never confuse authority with integrity. Everyone must earn the trust the same way through care, respect, and accountability.

Gabby: 3:45

Because when we hold each other to those standards, nature stays safe, free, and human.

Dan: 3:56

And now part two of a hot dog, maybe do it. Murder at a natures resort.

Gabby: 4:09

Let us ground this in what Olive Dell Ranch is right now. After the murders, the story did not end. Residents have filed a mass lawsuit against the current owners saying the resort was allowed to deteriorate, and that a mandatory clothing policy was imposed that fundamentally changed the culture of the place. The complaint includes dozens of plaintiffs and alleges neglected facilities, cut utilities, and efforts to push people out. The owners deny the allegations.

Dan: 4:49

The shift from clothing optional to clothing required is not a small rule change according to court filing summarized by multiple outlets, management informed residents in late 2024, that clothing would be required in common areas. then extended the rule to the entire park in January, 2025. Residents say that move rewrites the identity of a resort founded as a nature's community in the 1950s and disproportionately harms seniors, disabled residents, and veterans who live there.

Gabby: 5:20

It is also about conditions on the ground. Coverage describes a pool gone green. Power to shared spaces reduced or cut, and an overall slide into neglect. The owners dispute this and call the suit baseless, but the effect on daily life for residents is the point. People are not arguing over branding. they are arguing about whether a natures community can still safely exist at Olive Dell.

Dan: 5:53

Remember, the murders are part of this. Stories present. The ranch was the side of a double killing, and the court record includes a detective's testimony about the so-called hotdog trigger and the discovery of remains under a neighbor's home. That tragedy sits in the community's memory while residents fight over what the resort is and who it is for.

Gabby: 6:14

Zoom out and you see two questions. What is all of Dell now? And who gets to decide? The lawsuit frames it as a civil rights and consumer protection fight with resonance, claiming not just a policy change, but a cultural erasure and a pattern of neglect. That is the saddest today, a nature's landmark in court with competing narratives about stewardship, safety, and identity.

Dan: 6:46

How are people coping reports describe a community that noticed when things were not right during the homicide investigation and called for help. and the same impulse is visible. Now in civil court, some residents say they have banded together to maintain common spaces, even restoring the pool and improving roads themselves when they felt leadership has stepped back.

Gabby: 7:08

There are stark accounts of daily hardship too. Local television reporting quotes a longtime resident saying she had never seen such cruelty after electricity meters were allegedly removed during extreme heat. While the property manager countered that some tenants were not paying full rent or utility bills. that is the friction line where people are living between basic habitability and contested responsibility.

Dan: 7:40

The larger illegal storyline matters. The owners purchased the ranch in 2019. After years of relative continuity, the push toward a clothing required regime and rebranding as an RV park triggered conflict. Plaintiffs are seeking damages and a restoration of conditions that allow a nature's community to function. Court dates are active this season

Gabby: 8:01

for members grief and advocacy. Now sit side by side. They are processing the trauma of losing neighbors to violence and at the same time, organizing to protect a way of life. They say gave them healing, dignity, and community in their telling. The fight is not nostalgic, it is practical. It is about safety, stability, and the right to keep a natures identity in the place they call home.

Dan: 8:30

So when we ask how all of Dell is doing today. The answer is complicated. It is still a community of people trying to live their values, and it is a contested space. Under new rules and an active litigation, the outcome will not just decide one park's dress code. It will signal whether longstanding nature's communities can survive ownership and policy shifts. That cut against their core purpose.

Gabby: 8:54

And for anyone listening who leads or belongs to a natures space, this is the case to watch, not to sensationalize pain, but to understand how governance, care and culture determine whether a natures community can weather crisis and remain true to itself.

Dan: 9:15

Olive DE's story isn't just about one resort. It's about what happens when care and community slip through the cracks.

Gabby: 9:22

Naturalism only works when respect and integrity stay at the center. Once that's lost, the whole thing unravels.

Dan: 9:31

Still. There's strength in how residents are fighting for what they built. That's the real spirit of naturalism resilience.

Gabby: 9:38

Exactly. So stay aware, stay involved, and protect. What makes these spaces sacred.

Dan: 9:45

And that is the natures vibe.

Gabby: 9:47

Bye.